tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post1397785249495971314..comments2024-03-14T21:33:46.872-07:00Comments on A Magician's Workings: PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION OF SPIRITS?!!Fra.Ashen Chassan F.:N.:Fhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07451651417360299136noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-57202848797946819292019-04-04T10:21:29.957-07:002019-04-04T10:21:29.957-07:00Hi Frater. Another question about your circle (sev...Hi Frater. Another question about your circle (seven years after the first one!). Did you use a beam compass or a length of string to get the circle properly circular?Rufus Coppertophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761975983761196258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-34685503821071183742019-01-06T00:20:27.938-08:002019-01-06T00:20:27.938-08:00The interaction was on a whole new level and felt ...The interaction was on a whole new level and felt as if I was “meeting” them for the first time.<a href="https://smartobrain.com/15-minute-manifestation-review/" rel="nofollow">manifestation system</a><br />Alex monerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02635328221496286054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-5057753244158470652018-07-23T06:02:44.244-07:002018-07-23T06:02:44.244-07:00I recently came across your blog and have been rea...I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don't know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.<br /><a href="https://attractionlaw.org/15-minute-manifestation-review/" rel="nofollow">15 minute manifestation review</a><br />atif xhaikhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930570824595079707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-32757897237966104562016-03-05T20:58:32.937-08:002016-03-05T20:58:32.937-08:00You are definitely lucky. I would like to have som...You are definitely lucky. I would like to have some details of the type of creature you saw and the questions/answers sequence. I might get through the same experience as yours. Thanks!Shamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03404339801838882363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-47543556295397810782016-03-05T14:28:01.402-08:002016-03-05T14:28:01.402-08:00I recently completed my first successful ritual ev...I recently completed my first successful ritual evocation in the Magalies mountains. I also knew deeply in every fiber of my being that something was going to happen, i felt it. So I decided to do it in the mountains (3 previous attempts were in a park, I have animals whom I care for, thus do not want to startle them) and it worked. The paradox that had transpired though was that a few trees near me caught fire right after the being and I had stopped communicating. I am LHP though, so I do believe that to some extent my interest lies in spirits that others deem to be malevolent, yet did not seem thus to me. I was surprised how real it was, I had a ticklish tingling-like sensation all over I had assume was my body, but might have been my spirit. I was a little frightened, but I had prepared a note that contained notes of all my questions, which helped me to regain my composure. It was amazing, and ever since this experience I can sometimes feel as if something is touching me, even though I might be insane, I like it, it feels like we have become connected, I do not fear it, it does not abide by causual laws and definition, it is acausual. The desired result of the evocation was accomplished, I had received what I had asked for, but in performing this ritual I had discovered what I truly want is to interact with spirits a lot more frequently. I didn't use any ritual items except for a knife I carried with me for self-defense, other than that I just used chants, meditation, and visualization of the sigil and it appeared.Middernaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02926175137734570519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-2732307954384237642014-08-05T10:39:55.056-07:002014-08-05T10:39:55.056-07:00Is this to suggest then that evocation is more a &...Is this to suggest then that evocation is more a "Request" then a "Command"?blyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09489158916010929344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-53347201622844767362013-09-22T01:35:44.648-07:002013-09-22T01:35:44.648-07:00Hi Frater Bryan,
Is there a way I can contact you...Hi Frater Bryan,<br /><br />Is there a way I can contact you privately via email. Thank you.<br /><br />Leonard <br />fundnopolis@gmail.com Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00079385633230691153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-40053785427172395682013-07-26T22:18:24.187-07:002013-07-26T22:18:24.187-07:00thanks to all of you for your insightful remarks a...thanks to all of you for your insightful remarks and thoughts.....Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02292455315900322835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-91801666897189457922013-07-06T05:08:36.915-07:002013-07-06T05:08:36.915-07:00Excellent post. Love your blog!Excellent post. Love your blog!Frater C.M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08954201959403121319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-20525186724253126942013-02-15T13:15:24.819-08:002013-02-15T13:15:24.819-08:00Lavir, great feedback and comments. Well stated an...Lavir, great feedback and comments. Well stated and am in much agreement to your response. Although not directly related to your comments above, I posted more on the use of magical tools on another page which further states my stance on the matter: <br /><br />Are these magical tools “needed” to have a sincere “mastery” over the elements?<br />No. But for me, as a ceremonial magician, the true function of a (any) magical implement or vestment is to contain complex yet specific patters of occult force, virtue, and purpose which is enacted in the state of magical ecstasy during a magical operation (ceremony) to fulfill an specific function. That is to say, the implement expresses veritably, symbolically, astrally, and physically (thus linking all the worlds as one) the specific and intended effect of its nature while the magician (being a complex universe of all elements, variables, and measures within the frame of the divine construct) sets his will on the broader scope of the operation assisted with the complimenting tools of his trade. The conscious respect and inclusion of these tools comes with the knowledge and realization that it is not JUST the magician’s WILL which empowers these implements but external forces as well.<br /><br />These tools are not simply magical or psychological “props” ( “magicians” who use this term are missing the intended purpose for such items to begin with and are stunting their working on significant levels I believe) .<br />True magical vestments and implements contain celestial and divine properties which become apparent after successful consecrations occur. Anyone in the west familiar with religious ceremonies of the Catholic or Christian faith that are done beyond the aspects of tradition and repetition will know of what I am speaking. It is the same with religions and spiritual practices of other cultures/systems as well.<br /><br />-Apprehending and then integrating the true meaning of the word “sacred” is at the core of what this post is about. It has little to do with materialism or superstition and everything to do with an exalted awareness. Realizing that nothing is “ordinary” or “mundane” and that every action, symbol, gesture and tool, can express divinity in creation if given the proper attention.<br /><br />I’d assume that just about everyone in the esoteric community would be aware of objects and places being impregnated with a particular kind of energy or entity where something significant has occurred weather for good, ill or ethically natural.<br />In the grimoires, not only the creation and consecration of magical tools is described , but the use, treatment, and storage of each magical tool is meticulously adhered to. In fact there are warnings in some MS that if improper use and neglect is administered to some of these vestments that they will lose their virtue and use entirely.<br /><br />Consider carefully all of the above each time you decide to “do a magical ceremony”. Consider the amount of attention and care you put into what you are doing and what it is you are truly expecting out of it. How much of it is simply following a procedure in hopes to experience some spectacular results, and how much is truly an act of sacred participation in the role of creation?Fra.Ashen Chassan F.:N.:Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451651417360299136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-64911195806437367812013-02-14T03:28:12.365-08:002013-02-14T03:28:12.365-08:00I want just to add this comment then, about the bo...I want just to add this comment then, about the book of Lisiewski and about the strict adherence to the exact tools in the grimoire. I see you like the guy much, and I must agree that in the midst of all his ramblings there are some keys to make evocation work, but they have little to do with the axioms themselves as used but Lisiewski. It seems to me that he is so much concerned with appearance that he cannot separate it from what's "under" the same.<br /><br />It is interesting to note how, for example, Lisiewski stresses the adherence to having all the tools perfectly etc. and not going "lazy" therein when he factually does so by using the simplest grimoire out there. It is a complete contradiction. He is lazy himself by using the easier of the grimoires. Using his advice you should go for the most difficult and improbable one you could obtain. You cannot stress the importance of following the things to the letter and then say "oh, you see, let's use what is easier". And all the stress about the psychological function of the tools? All the stress about the fundamental need of using complex procedures to bring the symbology alive in the mind?<br /><br />In reality if you procure the same exact paraphernalia described in the grimoires is not as important as what the symbols themselves arise in the mind of the user. Lisiewski actually nailed it when he talks about "going back to a magical work" but he just get carried away by the external act instead of the soul of it. This method is not different from what certain Shamans do to people outside their framework and culture. Their first step is to introduce the outsider in that world. But to really think that you need the same exact tools described in the grimories to do so would be like pretending that to write in italian vernacular you need to use the same exact tools Dante used for the Divine Comedy, elsewhere there's no way you can do that.<br /><br />The point here are not the tools themselves, but what they create. They create an existing world in the mind of the user where the entities and context acquire a REAL objective existence (naturally people in the old times where much advantaged on this point, they needed much less than now). This is the fundamental part, but the important part is how to achieve this, NOT the modus operandi to approach it. <br /><br />If an user goes about the instruction of Levi on how to construct a circle to evoke demons he will get the same exact results of using the Goetia tools, even if those instructions are obviously made up by Levi himself (as he even say himself). That's because it is what they bring to the mind the important thing, the world they create, not the objects themselves and their specifics.<br /><br />To simplify even more: the principal function the various tools in the various grimoires serves to is to create an objective existence of the entities evoked in the mind of the operator. This is the most important part of all the process. If in fact there is not this full recognition, nothing can work. From this lack of recognition arise all the other typical problems of a faulty evocation as doubts, not being able to reach the state required to achieve the manifestation and so on and so forth.<br /><br />I have executed both the "minimalistc" approach and bot the "fully traditional" one in my path to learn evocation, and while I've learned that being lazy is indeed sure failure from beginning, that failure is not really tied to to not using the exact same tools as in the grimoire but in not producing the recreation of the objective reality of the framework you want to work with, that it is what the tools are meant achieve and laziness therein disrupt; but you can achieve that state in many other ways knowing this, those ways even having not to do with the tools themselves.Lavirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02995025332555451725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-40551103657996403762013-02-14T02:00:45.889-08:002013-02-14T02:00:45.889-08:00"I am always HIGHLY skeptical of magicians BO..."I am always HIGHLY skeptical of magicians BOASTING they achieve physical manifestation with spirits (especially goetic) on a regular basis as if it was a mundane and common practice."<br /><br />No, that's in fact not possible at all, and all who say so in reality never had a full contact with an entity (especially a so called demon, even less an high rank one). <br /><br />Frankly speaking a full blown evocation of an entity should be done only once, to establish a "link" with that entity. This is what is talked about by Abramelin (no, the HGA of Abramelin is not the silent self, not matter what many people think), what is talked about in the Grimorium Verum about implict pacts, it is what has been used by Shamans from immemorial times, the "selling of the soul to the devil" of the traditional witches and so on and so forth.<br /><br />The calling forth of minor entities should be regarded only as experiments until you can successfully do this (and until you are certain you can really contact what you want and it is NOT a part of your subconscious). When you can, you then should contact an high hierarchy "spirit" (the nature of which should be well considered before because after you cannot work with opposing type of spirits) and form a so called "allegiance" with it. This will then give power (without the slingshot effect) upon all servitors of the same (the so called familiar spirits of old time).<br /><br />This is the only real magic. All the rest is fuss and new age talk. With that you get to learn directly from the links (spirits) you are working with and learn what you must do. <br /><br />Btw probably Crowley was able to get something similar at beginning ("strangely" enough when working first in Boleskine with the Abramelin system, evoking the prince demons) but completely botched it after.Lavirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02995025332555451725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-87066430065077366152012-08-31T17:24:01.499-07:002012-08-31T17:24:01.499-07:00Solomon makes it very clear that the conjuring is ...Solomon makes it very clear that the conjuring is to physical not only astral unless desired by the magician.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12818123379759537558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-82286638199438405112012-04-11T10:04:44.409-07:002012-04-11T10:04:44.409-07:00Well done. You're a dab hand with a paint brus...Well done. You're a dab hand with a paint brush, that's obvious.Rufus Coppertophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761975983761196258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-57285007197430805392012-04-10T15:27:13.715-07:002012-04-10T15:27:13.715-07:00Rufus, ai made it all myself and
Added a few eleme...Rufus, ai made it all myself and<br />Added a few elements to it as well: Within the ring, the paint was mixed with a measure of consecrated salt, iron dust, and holy water. It took me about two weeks to complete.Fra.Ashen Chassan F.:N.:Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451651417360299136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-53959820543485323442012-04-10T13:21:06.709-07:002012-04-10T13:21:06.709-07:00Frater,
Did you buy your Goetic circle, commissio...Frater,<br /><br />Did you buy your Goetic circle, commission it or make it yourself?<br /><br />It's as splendid as the rest of your paraphernalia, that much is certain!<br /><br />Cheers,<br />RufusRufus Coppertophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761975983761196258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-44164768981949907972012-02-07T16:53:21.951-08:002012-02-07T16:53:21.951-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.yanson21https://www.blogger.com/profile/08092207386431069061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-17265092787691282472012-01-23T04:01:15.560-08:002012-01-23T04:01:15.560-08:00Fra.AshenF.:N.:F
I created a Google profile for t...Fra.AshenF.:N.:F<br /><br />I created a Google profile for the express purpose of commenting on your blog. It was recommended to me by a gentle names "Henrique" who reads it. I appreciate your reply. It's refreshing to see magicians who take the time and effort to work the grimoires in a way that I think they were meant to be worked. I think another blogger, John King (Imperial Arts) mentioned the same thing about the lion skin belt and how it helped his operations and, in particular, helped him understand what the spirit was saying. I don't know what the frequency of his operations is, however.<br /><br />I myself have experienced massive slingshot working with the Goetia, especially in my earliest workings. I have since that time dedicated myself to working in the "correct" manner. I agree totally with your skepticism of magicians and their weekly Goetic evocations to physical manifestation. <br /><br />I'd like to talk further, via regular email, if you are agreeable.<br /><br />PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-51413472133745329892012-01-22T18:10:41.802-08:002012-01-22T18:10:41.802-08:00My comfort zone is such that I understand the Lisi...My comfort zone is such that I understand the Lisiewski's and the other magician's stance. <br /> At least a year past after my first full blown attempt before I did another, and that was even after initial failure. Although no slingshot effect occurred during that first round. ( I hypothesize the lion belt, ring, gold pentacle lamen, etc assists with this. I have only experienced the phenomena a select amount of times, large amounts of time passing in-between. It is incomparable to anything else in the realms of magic and taxes everyone/thing involved.<br /><br /> I am always HIGHLY skeptical of magicians BOASTING they achieve physical manifestation with spirits (especially goetic) on a regular basis as if it was a mundane and common practice.<br /><br /> I do weekly evocations/invocations of the Almadel angels and see them clearly in the crystal sphere. (Not sure why a couple have trouble believing the angels are capable to do this. These are intense as well but on a positive note and beneficial for the magician (at least in my case). I look forward to it each week.<br /><br /> The angels themselves seem to meet half way where the magician needs only the proper atmosphere ( tools and set up plus an area) and an engaging heart and mind. There are some other factors which play that go beyond this but I am uncertain exactly as to what they are. ie (what makes it work for some and not others) perhaps scrying ability is somewhat at play..<br /><br />..Anyhow, my point is, the above practice is less taxing and does not seem to create the tensions that arise with the resisting energies of the Goetia.Fra.Ashen Chassan F.:N.:Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451651417360299136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-61676316626593336082012-01-22T17:55:16.945-08:002012-01-22T17:55:16.945-08:00Peter, I have had that same trouble, its frustrati...Peter, I have had that same trouble, its frustrating. I'm surprised you got through. Thank you for your comments.Fra.Ashen Chassan F.:N.:Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451651417360299136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-6386160808015229352012-01-22T15:15:44.963-08:002012-01-22T15:15:44.963-08:00PS: What have you found to be your comfort zone re...PS: What have you found to be your comfort zone regarding frequency of evocation? I spoke with one magician who has worked with the Heptameron as well as the Greater Key (extensively) and he said his "recovery time" is usually 3 months between operations of this nature. Joe Lisiewski told me 5 years (literally told me this). I'm sure JL was speaking from the assumption that we are talking about physical manifestation as he sees it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-16781984182082509012012-01-22T12:39:00.369-08:002012-01-22T12:39:00.369-08:00Frater,
Your blog is wonderful and your ritual to...Frater,<br /><br />Your blog is wonderful and your ritual tools et al are magnificent. I have tried commenting in the past (many times) but it seems that us Wordpress bloggers can't seem to be able to leave comments on Blogspot. I've tried open ID, all the options in fact. I do hope this one makes it. Thank you again for your Work; very encouraging.<br /><br />PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-81462680538280350562012-01-22T11:36:01.749-08:002012-01-22T11:36:01.749-08:00Rufus: Thank you. My hexagram is suspended from th...Rufus: Thank you. My hexagram is suspended from the red cincture cord, separate from the lion skin belt. A white linen cloth is draped over the front of it until the "Address to the Spirit" when it is removed. I don't see anything wrong with attaching it to the lion skin belt though. <br /><br /> A couple of magicians who seem to have had success, don't wear the Seal but keep it covered directly in front of them, either on a table or on the floor.<br /><br /> The text says it is to be "worn at the skirt of ye white vestment, and covered with a linen cloath to ye which is to be shewed to the spirits when they are appeared that they may be compelled to be obedient and take a humane shape &c." which I took to mean it is meant to be worn as a vestment. <br /><br /> However, having it in your possession, directly in front of you seems to be the point. I think the important thing is to be holding it directly (in front of you) when the spiritual phenomena begins occurring in the chamber (showing obvious signs of the spirit's arrival). I allow plenty of slack on my cincture belt so that I can hold it up in front of me with ease.Fra.Ashen Chassan F.:N.:Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07451651417360299136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-80644775438051360382012-01-22T06:30:44.475-08:002012-01-22T06:30:44.475-08:00Frater, your blog is an enjoyable and encouraging ...Frater, your blog is an enjoyable and encouraging read and your paraphernalia is magnificent.<br /><br />I'm assuming from your photos that the Hexagram of Solomon is suspended from the lion-skin belt. Is that correct?Rufus Coppertophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761975983761196258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1296767595163067465.post-18135394997764152602012-01-19T06:55:03.960-08:002012-01-19T06:55:03.960-08:00I'm not sure what you are saying? Are you sayi...I'm not sure what you are saying? Are you saying that you have only had physical manifestation by putting your mind in an altered state, or that physical manifestation puts you in that state? Because Im sorry but I've had physical manifestation for the past 10 years since I first began and it hasn't put me in any altered state at all, nor have I had to enter one.Ash' Bracken | Tolka Scrollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971298514690000659noreply@blogger.com